[wp-hackers] Quest for Self Pingbacks

Otto otto at ottodestruct.com
Tue Sep 1 15:27:51 UTC 2009 

No, the to_ping column only holds manual trackback values you inserted
on a post.

You should look for a meta_key on the post named "_pingme". That gets
set for new posts, and the do_all_pings function processes those posts
for links and then does the pingbacks for them.

pinged + to_ping = trackbacks.
_pingme = pingbacks.

-Otto



On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Chris Kasten<handy.solo at gmail.com> wrote:
> My theme has that which then shows up like this in a "view source":
> <link rel="pingback" href="http://www.solo-technology.com/blog/xmlrpc.php"
> />
>
> But... wouldn't you think the DB entries should be there FIRST?
>
> I hate to keep kicking this same dead & tired horse, but since I never get
> values in "pinged" / "to_ping" columns in the Posts table it ain't ever
> going to try to ping, right?
>
> What would stop the self-pingbacks from getting added to those columns in
> the DB? Seems like maybe that's my root cause.
>
>
>
> Chris Kasten
> Solo Technology
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>
>> In your theme, is this line in the header?
>>
>> <link rel="pingback" href="<?php bloginfo('pingback_url'); ?>" />
>>
>> Pingbacks need that to work.
>>
>> -Otto
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Chris Kasten<handy.solo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The patch made no changes in my lack of ability to self-ping.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Chris Kasten <handy.solo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'll give it a shot and report back.
>> >> Meanwhile... It alarms me that my self links never get collected and
>> added
>> >> to the to_ping / pinged columns in the Posts table. Or are they briefly
>> >> there and removed when the pingback fails?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Peter Westwood <
>> >> peter.westwood at ftwr.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Could you try on your test blog with the patch on this ticket applied.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/10588
>> >>>
>> >>> This switches the IXR class over to use the WordPress HTTP api instead
>> of
>> >>> fsockopen for connections it should be more reliable.
>> >>>
>> >>> Please leave feedback on your sucess/lack there of on the ticket.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Peter Westwood
>> >>> http://peter.westwood.name
>> >>>
>> >>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 03:17, Chris Kasten <handy.solo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  Future posts do indeed work (mentioned a couple stanzas below your
>> reply
>> >>>> ;-)
>> >>>> )
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Dion Hulse (dd32) <
>> wordpress at dd32.id.au
>> >>>> >wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Is the cron system working?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Try a future-publish post, See if that gets published (Thats based on
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> Cron system).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:11:44 +1000, Chris Kasten <
>> handy.solo at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On a fresh locally install blog self pingbacks work just fine. I
>> guess
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> this
>> >>>>>> may be a Dreamhost related issue?What a bummer.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I poked around through the access and error logs but didn't see any
>> >>>>>> obvious
>> >>>>>> errors.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Chris Kasten <handy.solo at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm hosted on Dreamhost. As mentioned earlier, self pings were good
>> >>>>>> until
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> the beginning of this year (which may coincide with a WP release? I
>> >>>>>>> can't
>> >>>>>>> recall now).
>> >>>>>>> I also tried a pingback from one of my blogs to the other (but both
>> on
>> >>>>>>> Dreamhost and both in same domain). Same deal, no pingback and
>> nothing
>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>> the ping fields in the Posts table.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I just tested a future post and it worked. What else would you like
>> me
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> try? I get the same results with my blog as I do with a test blog
>> (no
>> >>>>>>> plugins / default theme).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I guess one next step would be to get one going locally (as in not
>> on
>> >>>>>>> Dreamhost) and see how self pings go there. Anything else I should
>> >>>>>>> look
>> >>>>>>> at?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> From your note, it sounds like I can assume that self pings
>> _should_
>> >>>>>>> still
>> >>>>>>> work?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Peter Westwood <
>> >>>>>>> peter.westwood at ftwr.co.uk
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It sounds like you are suffering from oases which prevent the self
>> >>>>>>> pings
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> from working.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> This is normally due to hosting confug in relation to connections
>> >>>>>>>> back
>> >>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>> your server from your server.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Does the built in cron system work for you? For example does
>> future
>> >>>>>>>> publishing posts work?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Peter Westwood
>> >>>>>>>> http://peter.westwood.name
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 29 Aug 2009, at 18:47, Chris Kasten <handy.solo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Yes thanks. I realize a lot of people don't like them.  That's why
>> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  No
>> >>>>>>>>> Pings plugin was invented! But I do like 'em and WP used to
>> generate
>> >>>>>>>>> them.
>> >>>>>>>>> Like or dislike, I just wish to confirm that they (self pings)
>> are
>> >>>>>>>>> indeed
>> >>>>>>>>> dropped by WP now. If so, A nudge on how to re-enable them with a
>> >>>>>>>>> plugin
>> >>>>>>>>> would be really groovy.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Chris Kasten
>> >>>>>>>>> Solo Technology
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Rics <ricardo.cezar at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't like self trackbacks... it's anoying.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>  I prefer to have related posts and use trackback only from other
>> >>>>>>>>>> websites.
>> >>>>>>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>>>>> Rics
>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.pensarics.com
>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.meadiciona.com/rics
>> >>>>>>>>>> Maringá, PR - Brasil
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/8/29 scribu <scribu at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> That's ironic, since there's a plugin that does the opposite.
>> It's
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>  called
>> >>>>>>>>>>> No
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Self Pings.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://scribu.net
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