[wp-forums] copy of wordshell

Fri Sep 28 14:58:27 UTC 2012

Ipstenu,
Thanks a lot for taking it so well and for understanding that I was just
trying to help, :-).
Keep up the good work

Marv

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Mika A Epstein <ipstenu at ipstenu.org>wrote:

> Piffle, Marc :) You're a member of this list, you have the authority to
> tell me when I'm being a jerk :) Never forget that! If you all stop saying
> 'Hey, Ipstenu, that line? You're crossing it!' then I'll lose the ability
> to see it!
>
> The tl;dr is, however, that these are not the forums. These are the
> forum-support-emails, where people who ride the range, wrangling the
> forums, come for help from our peers, and to warn folks about folks who've
> lost their mind.
>
> Which does remind me. Stuart - This is the wrong list for that question
> anyway. You probably mean to be on wp-hackers (though they'll likely say
> it's the wrong list too). If you really, desperately, want a free and GPL
> command line interference for WP, try WP-CLI.
>
>> Mar Ventus <mailto:marventus.wp at gmail.com**>
>> September 28, 2012 9:11 AM
>> *@Stuart:*
>>
>> The answer to your question is in the license document itself:
>>
>>    It is provided to you via a service subscription. The service
>>> subscription is per-machine (where WordShell is installed – the websites
>>> managed themselves can be on any number of machines).
>>>
>>
>> That means 2 things:
>> *a.* The license between the Dev and the User only comes into effect
>>
>> through the act of purchasing a service. You have not purchased the
>> service, therefore, the license (GPL or not) does not apply to you;
>> *b.* Even if you did buy the service, you would not be able to distribute
>>
>> the software because of the "per-machine" limitations.
>> Now, whether the license constitutes an actual GPL license is an entire
>> different matter. I don't think it does. However, even if it objectively
>> does not, that is still not grounds for violating that particular license,
>> regardless of anything else.
>>
>> *@Ipstenu:*
>>
>>
>>  I am mod :)
>>>
>>
>> Indeed you are. And paraphrasing Spiderman: "with great power comes
>> great(ER?) responsibility", :-)
>>
>> And I don't think saying 'Don't be a jerk' is ban-worthy. The other words
>>
>>> (which yes, I was thinking) are. But I really can't think of another way
>>> to
>>> get the point across of how mean that is. I could very easily argue that
>>> what Stuart is asking for is theft. Given the context, I wouldn't even
>>> flinch if I saw that in the forums.
>>>
>>
>> In the Forum Welcome, "calling people names" is listed as a potential
>> cause
>> for a ban, and I understand that these are guiding principles more than
>> strict rules, but still... As to expressing certain points strongly, I am
>> all in favor of sending strong messages. Also, since I don't like being
>> told how to express myself, I try not to do it to others (unless they are
>> yelling or becoming agitated, etc.). However, I do see various ways to
>> convey an equally strong point without crossing the name-calling barrier.
>> In your latest reply, for instance, there was a perfect one IMHO, which
>> consisted of comparing Stuart's act to theft, but actually calling him a
>> thief. Others come to mind, such as questioning the morality of the act.
>>
>> If you think I should be castigated for saying jerk
>>
>> Not at all. I don't have the authority (neither moral nor factual) to make
>> that sort of decisions or suggestions, nor was it my intention to even go
>> down that road. I was simply trying to raise awareness over not crossing
>> certain limits when it comes to addressing issues that arise on the forums
>> or the lists. I don't know about you, but I really like the WP community
>> (a
>> lot!), and I would hate it see it turning into your average "Battle
>> Royale", like most of the net is, nowadays. Now, don't get me wrong: we
>> all
>> have our "I wanna murder this guy with a dull spoon" kind of moments when
>> confronted to certain user practices, sayings, attitudes or requests, and
>> I
>> am certainly not an exception here. However, I think that the way in which
>> we choose to deal with said events has a major impact on future
>> occurrences. To put it differently, I believe we should try to avoid users
>> thinking something on the lines of "if mods and contributors don't respect
>> the rules, why should we, regular users?".
>> I'm gonna finish with another nerdy thought: since "some people just want
>> to watch the world burn", are we going to jump in with a torch and help
>> them, or bring out the big fire extinguishers and quench that mofo-ing
>> fire? :-)
>>
>>
>> Marventus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Mika A Epstein<ipstenu at ipstenu.org>**
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Oh and its contact at wordshell.net.<mailto:**contact at wordshell.net<contact at wordshell.net>
>>> >
>>>
>>>  Mika A Epstein<mailto:ipstenu@**ipstenu.org <ipstenu at ipstenu.org>>
>>>> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is.
>>>>
>>>> He is SELLING it. You are asking to take it and give it away.
>>>>
>>>> GPL doesn't mean 'free as in beer.'
>>>>
>>>> Of course you can, via the GPL, do this. I'm just saying you shouldn't.
>>>>
>>>> I'll put it this way. If you steal a plugin from WPMU plugins and
>>>> attempt
>>>> to put it up in the WordPress.org forums, you will be banned so fast
>>>> your
>>>> head will spin. It's not a matter of GPL, it's a matter of humanity.
>>>> Let us
>>>> not play Devs against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart Matthews<mailto:stuart@**islogistics.com<stuart at islogistics.com>
>>>> **>
>>>>
>>>> September 28, 2012 8:23 AM
>>>> 1) I scoured his website and even the whois records for his email
>>>> address, couldn't find it. This was a choice of the dev to not be easily
>>>> found.
>>>> 2) If it is GPLv2 licensed, then it isn't a "jerk" thing to do. The
>>>> license specifically gives permission to share the software. You can't
>>>> get
>>>> nerd credit for using GPL and then not be OK with people sharing the
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>> - Stuart
>>>>
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>> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
>> Oh and its contact at wordshell.net. <mailto:contact at wordshell.net>
>>
>> Mika A Epstein <mailto:ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
>> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
>> Yes it is.
>>
>> He is SELLING it. You are asking to take it and give it away.
>>
>> GPL doesn't mean 'free as in beer.'
>>
>> Of course you can, via the GPL, do this. I'm just saying you shouldn't.
>>
>> I'll put it this way. If you steal a plugin from WPMU plugins and attempt
>> to put it up in the WordPress.org forums, you will be banned so fast your
>> head will spin. It's not a matter of GPL, it's a matter of humanity. Let us
>> not play Devs against Humanity.
>>
>> Stuart Matthews <mailto:stuart at islogistics.com**>
>> September 28, 2012 8:23 AM
>> 1) I scoured his website and even the whois records for his email
>> address, couldn't find it. This was a choice of the dev to not be easily
>> found.
>> 2) If it is GPLv2 licensed, then it isn't a "jerk" thing to do. The
>> license specifically gives permission to share the software. You can't get
>> nerd credit for using GPL and then not be OK with people sharing the
>> software.
>>
>> - Stuart
>>
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