It isn't up to us and the docs team to like or dislike. We can support, cheer on, and dream, but the action on such a task needs to come from the site development team. Search is fairly locked down. Not sure who is involved in that now. Jane or Ozh should know. Hopefully they will chime in on this.<br>
<br>Lorelle<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nathaniel Taintor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:goldenapplesdesign@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldenapplesdesign@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes, I do think that on a limited scale, a search box that only searched the Codex should be very doable and would be helpful to most people. <br>
<br><br>Speaking for myself, I use a browser search bar that posts to <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/?search=" target="_blank">codex.wordpress.org/?search=</a>, and the results I get are very helpful to me. Being able to type in something like "Settings API" and get to the Codex page with no clicks saves me tons of time when I'm trying to look something up quickly. Definitely better than using the slow Ajax Google search when I know I just want to find the Codex article.<br>
<br>The biggest problem there is setting up redirects from all the possible search terms to the proper Codex article; there would need to be a whole lot of redirect pages set up.<br><br><br>The simplest ones (looks like there are 500-1000 of these) are the function names and so on:<br>
<br> {function name} to {prefix ie Function_Reference, Template_Tags, etc.}/{function name}<br><br>Creating these could be easily automated, and I can volunteer to do it, if the docs team approves.<br><br><br>Then there is a more editorial process of creating redirects from common search terms to the most appropriate page, ie. "Spam" to "Combating Comment Spam". This requires more knowledge about which articles are good and regularly updated, and probably some metrics of the most commonly searched terms. Some of this could be automated or taken on by someone like me, but some might need more of a committee to make decisions.<br>
<br><br>I guess my question is: does anyone see objections as to why these redirect stubs shouldn't be created? I don't personally see any issues with it, but I haven't been working on the Codex very much yet, and I don't want to add things to it that someone with a broader vision of the project thinks is a bad idea.<br>
<br>Thanks,<br>Than<div class="im HOEnZb"><br><br>
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<br><br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Lorelle on WordPress <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lorelleonwordpress@gmail.com" target="_blank">lorelleonwordpress@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This would be so awesome. Our MediaWiki is integrated into the entire site, and at one time we had search options set that when you are in the Codex you only search the Codex and when you are out of the Codex, your search covers everything. The attempt has been made to open the search to everything, and it is a mess with Google. A perfect search result would be one that divided up the resulting content into Codex, Forum, etc. giving more choice control to the user.<br>
<br>That's the goal, but is it possible between the WordPress and MediaWiki interfaces? It sounds like you think it is. <br><br>The Docs team only has so much control over these things, so hopefully someone with the ability to engage at the higher authority level on this will jump in. You got my support. This has been a thorn for a long time. Thanks for being willing to take it on.<br>
<br>Lorelle<br><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Nathaniel Taintor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:goldenapplesdesign@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldenapplesdesign@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Hi all,<br><br>The existing search functionality on <a href="http://wordpress.org" target="_blank">wordpress.org</a>
has been bugging me, and apparently other people as well, for quite a
while, and I would like to work on helping to fix that - especially in
helping to provide a specific Codex search functionality.<br>
<br>MediaWiki already has a decent search ability, which redirects to
the found page if an exact match for the search term is found in a page
title. Exposing this functionality would be an improvement over the
current situation: eg. compare the results of "<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/?search=posts" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/?search=posts</a>" vs "<a href="http://wordpress.org/search/posts" target="_blank">http://wordpress.org/search/posts</a>".
In my opinion, just offering a "Codex search" box which used the
MediaWiki search results, rather than the Google results that appear
now, would be helpful for most users trying to navigate the Codex. <br>
<br>The situation gets trickier, however, with the entries which are
prefixed with Function_Reference/, Class_Reference/, etc. Look at the
search results found, for example, for "<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/?search=wp_remote_post" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/?search=wp_remote_post</a>".
Not so pretty... And its kind of hard to programmatically determine,
for example whether a search term should be prefixed with "Function
Reference", "Function API", or whatever else.<br>
<br>Overall, this means that the Codex is not as useful to developers as
it could be. When I'm working, for example, I depend on DuckDuckGo's
bang syntax search often to quickly look up manual pages for functions,
and the experience looking up WordPress functions is definitely subpar
as compared to other environments. When I'm searching for PHP functions,
like "!php array_merge", the experience is a quick zero-click lookup.
It would be nice to have that same experience in the WP Codex, like if
searching "!wp register_post_type" would bring me directly to the
relevant Codex page.<br>
<br>What is the solution to this? Does it make more sense to create
redirect pages for every function name indexed in the codex, ie creating
a page called "register_post_type" with the content "#REDIRECT
[[Function_Reference/register_<div>post_type]]", or is there an extension that will make searching more user-friendly?<br>
<br>I'd like to work on this, but I'm not sure what discussions and
decisions have already happened. Can someone point me to a helpful way
to contribute?<br><br>Thanks in advance,<br><br><br clear="all">Nathaniel Taintor, Designer/Developer<br>
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